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Jan Hollan jhollan at amper.ped.muni.cz
Thu Feb 19 15:48:03 UTC 2004

...jeste jeden dokument stoji za precteni, totiz zapis komentovany nize,
ten je _velmi_ astronomicky:


Je pozoruhodne, jak se vsichni pritomni britsti poslanci ztotoznili
s ideou, ze je nutno dostat ochranu nocniho nebe do zakona, a zejmena ze
je nutno sviceni zahrnout do kategorie ,,statutory nuisance``.

Parlamentni debata navazuje na dokumenty vyboru




(jedno z toho neobsahuje stanoviska poslana vyboru, ty jsou asi jen html)

a silenou vladni odpoved, dostupnou jako

nebo jako

Je zjevne, ze nadchnout poslance pro ideu vratit nebe zpet je mozne, ale
ze exekutiva je k takovym vecem lhostejna, jsa zcela pod vlivem osob a
instituci, ktere by jakakoliv regulace omezovala ci obtezovala, a lidi,
kteri se radi divaji na nebe, povazuje za podiviny na okraji spolecnosti.

Zprava parlamentniho vyboru se soustreduje na jas oblohy, jen okrajove na
hlavni pricinu, proc lide hvezdy ztratili (malokdy se zastavi na miste,
odkud je rozhled po nebi, a pritom nejsou kolem mnohem jasnejsi lampy), a
zcela pomiji nutnost tmy pro zdravi. Zkratka nebere svetlo jako nebezpecny
polutant. Drzi se zkratka veci, ktere jsou jednoduche a takrka vseobecne

zdravi jh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:58:13 -0000
From: Christopher J Baddiley <cj.baddiley at physics.org>
Reply-To: magnitude6 at yahoogroups.com
To: magnitude6 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [magnitude6] 040213 uk parliamentary debate on light pollution

The UK Parliamentary debate on light pollution in astronomy and the

This quick note does not dot it justice, but the full text is on  Hansard


The debate is to be on the Parliamentary channel on Monday I believe.

The CfDS award ceremony to the committee went well and the chairman Ian
Gibson read ou the citation in the debate. Also
how he said how they appreciated the award and how the cover of the report
was a work of art.

The committee, champions of our cause,  was in fighting mood, leaving no
corner unturned.

Bob Mizon was quoted most eloquently, as was Martin Rees and Paul
Marchant with his recent paper .... the lighting and crime report is now
acknowledged as being incorrect statistically.Tom Harris MP specifically
mentioned it.

Well done Paul, if only the Home Office would admit it.

The intention that the government may produce an advisory leaflet was
heavily ridiculed.

The government comments on amatuer astronomers having a little influence ..
considered demeaning with respect to the importance of getting people
interested in sciences to make a career of it.

Robert Key talked on contrails and diminishing views of skies.

The 'lovely' government minister .. rising 'star' etc., had quite a hard
time, but
she managed to defend her corner with not even 'a nod or a wink' (the MPs
words, not mine) to indicate
that legislation was a possibility.. she refused to be drawn.. or charmed !.

But there will be an all important lpol. annex to PPG23 and likely ban on
powerful security lights.

We got several extra MPs including the liberal spokesman on one for the
Conservatives or championing our cause, so it went rather well, but all the
other MPs have gone home for half-term holidays.

It was one of the most eloquent  and authoritative debates for some time,
even the minister said that. Also impressed by the government departmental
turn out.
and it was all taken as a  good exercise in raising awareness. Great debate
on a now
acknowledged important issue. Pity about shortage of MPs, most had gone home
for half term.



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